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Unread 3rd May 2010   #11
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if i was doing it i would go on top of about 4" of compacted hardcore if you want it to last.if you have to remove any earth skim it off.dont dig down and loosen it underneath otherwise it will sink later on.i did have runners for my caravan with pea shingle in the middle and out side.i put netting underneath to stop the weeds.the local cats loved it and used to use it as a litter tray,you couldnt walk on it without getting cats cr@p on your shoes.and the weeds used to grow 4 foot high.last october when the caravan was in for service i concreted the lot.much better now.
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Its only two runs, and I will have an expansion joint a third of the way as it needs to go upward a bit before levelling off. If I can get some rebar I will.
I don't want just gravel as there's nothing worse than hearing tick tick tick as you drive. I will have gravel in between the runs so any oil can drip on there, hopefully there won't be any, LOL
Just need to try and work out exactly how much I need of cement, ballast etc
A ton bag, is 10 square metres at 10cm deep., just visualise slicing the bag into 10 layers! that should give you a clue!
You can buy a ton bag of "ballast" (sand and gravel mixed), and then you just need to buy bags of cement.
If you're adding rebar, i suggest going for the "netting" type, looks like a big square metal net. cut it into strips for the width of the runs, and lay it in at half the depth of the concrete, and concrete over it!
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Theres roughly 8 shovels of cement to the bag (I00 kg bag)
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A ton bag, is 10 square metres at 10cm deep., just visualise slicing the bag into 10 layers! that should give you a clue!
You can buy a ton bag of "ballast" (sand and gravel mixed), and then you just need to buy bags of cement.
If you're adding rebar, i suggest going for the "netting" type, looks like a big square metal net. cut it into strips for the width of the runs, and lay it in at half the depth of the concrete, and concrete over it!
I have just been reading some sites on concrete driveways, and they state that reinforcement isn't necessary if the depth is greater than 100mm. Mine will be at its thinnest is 150mm. I will need to get the calculator out, although math is not my best subject!
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Theres roughly 8 shovels of cement to the bag (I00 kg bag)
Are the bags really that big, eek I'm not going to be able to move that. I thought that they'd be 25kg bags at most?
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Unfortunately too expensive for such a small area that needs doing, but thanks for finding it for me
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I have just been reading some sites on concrete driveways, and they state that reinforcement isn't necessary if the depth is greater than 100mm. Mine will be at its thinnest is 150mm. I will need to get the calculator out, although math is not my best subject!

Are the bags really that big, eek I'm not going to be able to move that. I thought that they'd be 25kg bags at most?

Unfortunately too expensive for such a small area that needs doing, but thanks for finding it for me
In that case, a ton bag is cut into 6 layers, (100cm divied by 15cm is about 6), in which case you'll get about 6 square metres at 15cm.
If your runs are say 2ft wide, you'll use one of your "slices" to do a 2.5m run at 600mm (60cm) wide and 15cm deep!
So 1 ton bag will do 15 metres long at 2ft wide and 15cm deep.
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Are the bags really that big, eek I'm not going to be able to move that. I thought that they'd be 25kg bags at most?
Sorry Darren,

My mistake they come in 25kg bags now, but when I was in the building game they came in 1 cwt bags (50kg) I remember I use to carry one on each shoulder in those days LOL
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Sorry Darren,

My mistake they come in 25kg bags now, but when I was in the building game they came in 1 cwt bags (50kg) I remember I use to carry one on each shoulder in those days LOL
Obviously you'd get a ton bag delivered, local builders merchants usually have a good price for local areas. Has to be cheaper and easier than getting 8 shovel bags, saves your fuel, and your back, you shovel a bag of "ballast" straight from the bag to the mixer.
A ton of ballast is based on a 4:2:1 mix so you'll have a 4:2 mix thats just waiting for the 1 shovel of cement.
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Obviously you'd get a ton bag delivered, local builders merchants usually have a good price for local areas. Has to be cheaper and easier than getting 8 shovel bags, saves your fuel, and your back, you shovel a bag of "ballast" straight from the bag to the mixer.
A ton of ballast is based on a 4:2:1 mix so you'll have a 4:2 mix thats just waiting for the 1 shovel of cement.
Hi Mark,

What I was saying was there was 8 shovels fulls to the 1 cwt bag of cement. So now they come in 4 shovel fulls to the bag 25kg (1/2 cwt)
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In that case, a ton bag is cut into 6 layers, (100cm divied by 15cm is about 6), in which case you'll get about 6 square metres at 15cm.
If your runs are say 2ft wide, you'll use one of your "slices" to do a 2.5m run at 600mm (60cm) wide and 15cm deep!
So 1 ton bag will do 15 metres long at 2ft wide and 15cm deep.
Thank you for doing the math, just sat down with pen and paer, I can put them away now Well it looks like I will have more than enough if I get the big bag of ballast. Sorry to be a pain, but how many bags of cement will I need?

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Sorry Darren,

My mistake they come in 25kg bags now, but when I was in the building game they came in 1 cwt bags (50kg) I remember I use to carry one on each shoulder in those days LOL
Didn't you have one in each pocket as well? I used to work with delivering Calor gas bottles when I left school back in .......... and could carry two 47kg Propane bottles on my shoulders, although couldn't bend down to lower them slowly otherwise I'd crumple in a heap
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