Go Back   Caravanning 4U > Information & New Members Area > Travel News For Campers and Caravanners

Notices

Travel News For Campers and Caravanners The latest travel news from around the UK.

Closed Thread
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Unread 14th July 2009   #1
Paulw
C4U Admin
 
Paulw's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Stoke on Trent
Age: 65
Posts: 8,989
Images: 28
Thanks (For This Post): 0
Thanks (Total): 729
Rep Power: 10
My Mood
Amazed

Pond death parents to repay £25k

A family who received £25,000 in compensation after their son drowned in a pond at a holiday park has been ordered to repay the cash.

Matthew Marsden was two years old when he was found by his parents face down in 18 inches of water.

But yesterday three Court of Appeal judges ordered them to repay the money plus the £15,000 legal costs they received.

Parents Tracey and Philip sued Bourne Leisure after the tragedy at its Greenacres Holiday Park, Porthmadog, in 2004.
At the appeal Lord Justice Moses said Bourne Leisure had done nothing wrong in not fencing the pond.

He added: "Holiday sites will almost inevitably contain sources of danger to small unaccompanied children."

It manager Philip, from Buckley, Flintshire, said: "It seems to have left a loophole in health and safety law."

The family had hoped for a ruling that every man-made pond in the UK be fenced.
__________________
Paul
System Admin


Free Caravan/Car Stickers

Caravanning4u Shop

My Photo's


Twitter C4U



<---!!! Onwards & Upwards !!!--->
Paulw is offline Top  
Unread 14th July 2009   #2
Graham Hadfield
Elite Camper
 
Graham Hadfield's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Acklam, Tees-side
Posts: 949
Thanks (For This Post): 0
Thanks (Total): 88
Rep Power: 109
Obviously a tragedy for the family concerned and one which I'm sure none of us would wish to see repeated.

Having said that, thank goodness for the judges. Health & safety is a two-way thing. Employees have responsibilities as well as employers and users of facilities have responsibilities as well as the providers of those facilities.

People must start to take responsibility for themselves and their children as used to happen in years gone by.

Graham
__________________
Graham
Motorhome Friendly & Unfriendly Parking pages - www.motorhomeparking.co.uk
Graham Hadfield is offline Top  
Unread 14th July 2009   #3
davehutch
Veteran Camper
 
davehutch's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Leicestershire
Age: 56
Posts: 1,142
Thanks (For This Post): 0
Thanks (Total): 77
Rep Power: 90
Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham Hadfield View Post
Obviously a tragedy for the family concerned

People must start to take responsibility for themselves and their children as used to happen in years gone by.

Graham
I can’t agree more !
__________________
Bailey orion 400-2
VW polo 1.9 sports 130bhp
Suzuki B-king 1340cc 180bhp
Transit Connect 90bhp



www.hutchsmotorbikeforum.co.uk
davehutch is offline Top  
Unread 14th July 2009   #4
jon&lisa
Banned
 
jon&lisa's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,164
Thanks (For This Post): 0
Thanks (Total): 24
Rep Power: 0
Garage
My Mood
Amused

I really cringe when I see sites with ponds and lakes. My parents friends lost their son in a neighbours pond some years ago. When we were away this weekend there was a couple with twins about 20 months old and they just let their kids run the site and there is a big deep fishing lake there I was really concerned about this and went and took the kids back to their parents. The parents did not seem concerned at all I personally think that ponds. lakes, rivers should be cordened off in some way. At the end of the day I think it is down to the parents to look after their kids and make sure that they are in eye contact at all times. Easier siad than done I know but do your best.

Last edited by jon&lisa; 14th July 2009 at 08:46 PM.
jon&lisa is offline Top  
Unread 14th July 2009   #5
ggmad
C4U Super Mod
 
ggmad's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 7,251
Images: 117
Thanks (For This Post): 0
Thanks (Total): 470
Rep Power: 507
My Mood
Happy

If ever we were on sites with Lisa and Laura when they were little I always kept a very close eye on them, didn't let them wander off and kept them well away from the ponds etc. I've seen parents just letting tiny tots wander off on their own like John says who don't seem at all bothered. In a similar vein, I've had the same age group wandering up to Bonnie and playing with her, feeding her and tugging at her. It's a good job she is so good natured, although there have been times when she's been totally fed up with all the pestering and gone and hidden in the back of the car. Another favourite time is when the parents are packing up, they let the kids go depending on others to entertain them. Yes, parents should keep a close eye on their children and keep them safe and under control
__________________
ggmad is offline Top  
Unread 14th July 2009   #6
phill
C4U Super Mod
 
phill's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Potteries
Age: 65
Posts: 13,342
Images: 152
Thanks (For This Post): 0
Thanks (Total): 1,308
Rep Power: 1345
Garage
My Mood
Relaxed

People just let there children play nowadays without properly supervision and unfortunatley blame others when things go wrong, But sometimes accidents do happen and the results are tragic.
__________________
2016 Kia Sportage AWD 2Ltr
Towing a Swift Henbury FB
phill is offline Top  
Unread 14th July 2009   #7
swiftbev
Veteran Camper
 
swiftbev's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,010
Thanks (For This Post): 0
Thanks (Total): 18
Rep Power: 35
Whilst i do agree that parents should be vigilant - and keep an eye on their children where possible, the very nature of children is that they are inquisitive - and will take every opportunity to slip the net!

It takes seconds for a toddler to get in to mischief - i have 3 children myself and consider myself a very level headed sensible parent. However, there have been a couple of occasions when one of them has gone awol - luckily they were all ok - but how many of you can say hand on heart that any of your children have NEVER gone out of your sight for a second? These parents wouldnt have meant this to happen to their child - but it wouldnt have happened if there was a net over the pond!

Every single pool and pond in America has netting over it for this very reason, so perhaps we should take a leaf out of their book. If there is a 'known' risk - then its up to the owners of the park to make sure its a safe environment for children - even toddlers! Clearly it wasnt as there is a toddler dead now because of their oversight.Bev
swiftbev is offline Top  
Unread 14th July 2009   #8
Brightstar
Camping Addict
 
Brightstar's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 139
Images: 23
Thanks (For This Post): 0
Thanks (Total): 7
Rep Power: 22
My Mood
Paranoid

Were do you stop ? If you start having to fence and net pools What about putting fences around tree's just incase they try to climb them and fall out as i have on number of occasions AND then do we put fences around fences becauce they may try to climb on the fence .At the end of the day kid's will be kid's and accidents will happen This is a very unfortunate accident but to blame the site is a bit unfair
Brightstar is offline Top  
Unread 14th July 2009   #9
Freetochat
Camping Addict
 
Freetochat's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 127
Thanks (For This Post): 0
Thanks (Total): 2
Rep Power: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightstar View Post
Were do you stop ? If you start having to fence and net pools What about putting fences around tree's just incase they try to climb them and fall out as i have on number of occasions AND then do we put fences around fences becauce they may try to climb on the fence .At the end of the day kid's will be kid's and accidents will happen This is a very unfortunate accident but to blame the site is a bit unfair
Health and Safety can be taken to extremes, however, an unfenced pond at a location where children will be known to play and perhaps wander is a forseeable risk. Yes, the parents do have a responsibility, but so does the park owner.
Freetochat is offline Top  
Unread 14th July 2009   #10
swiftbev
Veteran Camper
 
swiftbev's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,010
Thanks (For This Post): 0
Thanks (Total): 18
Rep Power: 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightstar View Post
Were do you stop ? If you start having to fence and net pools What about putting fences around tree's just incase they try to climb them and fall out as i have on number of occasions AND then do we put fences around fences becauce they may try to climb on the fence .At the end of the day kid's will be kid's and accidents will happen This is a very unfortunate accident but to blame the site is a bit unfair
There is a vast difference between a child drowning in water, and a child falling out of a tree and at worst breaking an arm or leg! A 'forseeable' risk IS just that - forseeable! If a child falls out of a tree - then it wont do it again quickly! If a child falls into a pond and drowns - all the choices are taken away as its too late for it to have learned a lesson. If this had been a child of yours i doubt you would be wanting to forgive the owners of the park - all for the price of a bit of netting.Bev
swiftbev is offline Top  
Closed Thread

Bookmarks

Tags
death, parents, pond, repay, £25k

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hunt veteran's caravan death Paulw Travel News For Campers and Caravanners 0 20th April 2009 07:25 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:05 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2005 - 2021, Caravanning4u.co.uk

DTO Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.